Topic: Scatter Gun !!

[raVen]

I am voting yes .

 The weakest class should not be able to kill the strongest class with one hit . period . I saw a game completely turn around with a scout bringing down 2 heavies . sick . whats up with the insane crit rate on on this gun , anyway . 

Quoting  Anomaly , The scout is the most powerful class  and the scatter gun is better than Sasha .

[DeadGoat]

I don't have that great luck w/ Scout killing, so I'm voting no. I'm a good scout, but I generally can't get close enough to embed the scattergun into someones side. Which is what I think it takes for it to be an instant kill.

[[SiNNeR]]

The reason why the scout got the scattergun is simple, early versions of TF2 had him equipped with some kind of super nail-gun (fast ROF, weak as hell, think medi-gun). Thing is, its boring to play scout with such a weak gun so they gave him the scattergun to make him fun to play at the very least. Imagine the scout having only the medi-gun, he would be took weak 

The real problem is the criticals, the scattergun does so much dmg with them, hence the heavy killing. But the range is crap so I think it balances out. I still say overpowered, dont like scouts 

[anomaly]

seriously! 

i got sick of being killed over and over by these two scouts last night so i switched to the scout, just to see the how easy it would be, and omg!

dude, if you a good scout, meaning one that runs in and out of combat range for medium to heavy classes. its so easy to take out people. i mean how easy is it to run up to some one blast them run backward while strafing and come back in for a second shot if the first didn't kill your opponent. this operation takes less than 2 seconds.

the scout is VERY fast compared to all the other classes. for this reason it should not have such a powerful weapon. if anything their heath should have gotten lowered with this uber scatter gun upgrade to weaken the cockiness of scouts not fearing the heaver classes... its a joke! i seriously have scouts come up and fight me now(me as a heavy) and they win a 1/3rd of the times when they try this maneuver the only way i have a chance is if they mess up. i am very good at following a target with the minigun, it will take about 2-4 seconds to kill a scout running circles around a heavy be cause of the crappy accuracy of Sasha. if they hit me once or twice before this time...they win, period!

and like raven said the weakest class should not be able to kill the strongest class in one hit... at least not so freaking often! 

[JacktheBodiless]

I have heard a lot of talk about the scout gun being overpowered the last few times I have been on, but I play scout a fair bit and I just don't see it.  It has always been ridiculously powerful at short range, and always kind of useless any further than about 10 feet away.  When I played Scout last night, I had a couple opportunities to test this out on a distracted Heavy, and both times it took 3 shots at point blank range to bring Fatty Sashophilus down.  I know there has been speculation about a change to the Scattergun damage in the recent TF2 updates, but I don't see it in any of VALVe's changelogs.

Admittedly, I don't play Heavy very much...

[kerchief]

Nah, it's not too powerful.  As long as I'd rather bat a pyro to death than scatter gun him, it ain't too powerful   Btw, when you looked through the change logs, did they up the crit rate?  I've been critting like crazy lately, and most of my deaths have been by crit.  I almost feel like the crits are making skill less important

[nanaki254]

Nah, it's not too powerful.  As long as I'd rather bat a pyro to death than scatter gun him, it ain't too powerful   Btw, when you looked through the change logs, did they up the crit rate?  I've been critting like crazy lately, and most of my deaths have been by crit.  I almost feel like the crits are making skill less important

maybe u been getting better?... crits are random but they are based on ur skill too.. better skill = more crits

[kerchief]

I practically took a two week break, that shouldn't have upped my skill

[Harry Lee Smith]

Yes. End of story....

[mephisto_kur]

I tried it last night on warpath.  We were losing, and there was no way we were going to pull it out, so I thought what the hell.

The Scatter Gun is ridiculously powerful.  I was massacring non-heavies from yards away.  In the very short amount of time I played scout I got a good six kills, and most were from much much farther than point blank, and almost all my shots were crits.

[ORANGEKID]

Yes. Scatter Gun just tears me apart most of the time, it pretty freakin annoying. Lower the scouts HP, or take the scatter gun down a notch and increase the scouts HP. But that would mean redoing some other classes HP levels as well.

[mentok1982]

I got no problem dodging scouts. Even Tuj is often massacred by my needles. I can understand how slower classes that do not have a rapid fire weapon could have difficulty hitting scouts. It is hard to hit them with pipe bombs, rockets and shotgun fire. If you got one of those weapons, focus, take your time, lead your target, then fire.

I recommend trying to bump into them when they are close to you and using your melee on them. Make sure that when you do this that they are in "run mode" or that they just fired their gun. I can switch to my saw super fast and hit them when they get close to me. Last night I was with a scout on my team when an enemy scout came up and started fighting him. They both traded several shots with each other but they were not really getting anywhere. So I did the bump and saw move on the enemy scout and took him in one hit.

I have trained myself to lead all enemies (because the syringes actually fire several inches to right of the reticule at all times) when using my syringe gun and I have learned how much to lead a scout and how to keep my stream of needles on them when they are trying to dodge. Once you get the leading part down then all you have to do is figure out where they are going to be and shoot that area with syringes.

I love narrow walkways, hallways and ramps. I can stop most classes by shooting an enemy that is walking in a straight line. I often lead people who are chasing me through the entry stairs on the left side of my base on Crossunder. I start firing before I see them and when they enter that doorway there are already many needles ready to hit them in the face.

And finally...being able to regen health naturally is something unique to medics and is always totally keen. 

[[SiNNeR]]

The only tip i can give to deal with scouts is just to not permit them to get up close to you, they are obviously lethal close range. Just look for them and try to spot them when they're far and keep them away, you might not kill them but they won't come charging in if you start firing at them, they'll run to their next target.

The scout really needs that element of surprise to be real effective with the scattergun, sure it's easy to be but the fault relies more on other players not acknowledging the threat of scouts, people have no respect for the class so they dont make them a priority. They should but people catch on slowly in TF2 

I think the game's balanced, people just need to learn more because honestly I could say the RPG is too powerful and it probably is. And that's fine because the soldier is supposed to have crazy powerfire. At the same time, the rockets are slow as hell and its hard to shoot upwards with it. Everything's balanced

[kerchief]

I think soldier are the best against scouts if you just remember to shoot at the ground under them.  The first shot won't kill them, but then they are helpless to dodge making them an easy target for the kill shot.

[Gad]

I don't have a problem with the point blank range kills they get on me.  It takes skill to get that close to the heavier classes without dying or being severely damaged .  It is the one shot kills from about 15 to 30 feet that seem ridiculous to me.  To me that is were the biggest change to the Scatter Gun has come.  Even if it is a crit shot that is a little to far away to be getting a one shot kill.