Topic: Scatter Gun !!

[Rockey Racoon]

I vote no mainly because the scout needs to get very close w/o getting shot or melee'd. Plus the main disadvantage is that if you encounter a pyro, a soldier, or a heavy that see's you then you're gonna be hard pressed to kill them. and turrets are instant death for the scout anyway.

but, ill agree about the crits. I've noticed more and more of them occuring for and against me.

[mephisto_kur]

soldiers only are effective with scouts at close range.  I prefer demos and pyros for scouts.  My issue has nothing to do with the power of the scatter gun, it is the range of it that bugs me.  I mean seriously, I was one shotting people yards away.  I loved the class before - I wasn't good at it, but I appreciated the skill needed.  now its almost as easy to get kills with a scout as it is with a soldier.

As for Mentok, I find him relatively easy to take down, but I have to admit I get very annoyed that he can take me in one shot with a bonesaw from two miles away.  Who ever figured out how the bonesaw works in melee was an idiot.  I'd love to get as many 15 foot axe kills as he gets bonesaws, but as a pyro I have to stand on someone's head to get in range.

[mentok1982]

soldiers only are effective with scouts at close range.  I prefer demos and pyros for scouts.  My issue has nothing to do with the power of the scatter gun, it is the range of it that bugs me.  I mean seriously, I was one shotting people yards away.  I loved the class before - I wasn't good at it, but I appreciated the skill needed.  now its almost as easy to get kills with a scout as it is with a soldier.

As for Mentok, I find him relatively easy to take down, but I have to admit I get very annoyed that he can take me in one shot with a bonesaw from two miles away.  Who ever figured out how the bonesaw works in melee was an idiot.  I'd love to get as many 15 foot axe kills as he gets bonesaws, but as a pyro I have to stand on someone's head to get in range.

What I don't understand about the bonesaw is the difference between the animation the player using the saw sees and the animation that everyone else sees. When I use it I see myself swing the saw in a diagonal vertical position (say SE to NW on a compass) fashion in one movement up and one movement then back down. The arm movement looks like a very enthusiastic person saying "You betcha!". What everyone else see is a medic moving his saw in a horizontal fashion with the saw pointed directly pointed at his target. It looks like he is trying to saw a piece of wood.

When using the bonesaw it looks like I have to get really close to use it, but there have been a handful of times when I have been killed by a saw when I thought I was out of range.

[raVen]

argh... yes my other gripe . The bone saw range . That requires a poll on its own !!!!   

[batt-76]

YEP

[bad easy]

i vote no for two reasons.  one, maybe i'm not living up to my potential, but i find scout difficult if the other team has the slightest amount of D.  he needs that extra punch to be able to penetrate.  i haven't really noticed the number of crits going up, but i would go along with lessening the crit percentage regardless.

and two, i luuuuuv running around like a dog on fire and scattering ppl to death 

[nanaki254]

yeah it takes me a while to kill people with the scout 

[DeadGoat]

two, i luuuuuv running around like a dog on fire and scattering ppl to death 

I do that too, but 90% of the time it's because I am on fire.
 

[bad easy]

FIYAH FIYAH FIYAH!!  OW AH OW 

[DeadGoat]

People say I'm crazy, but I still believe Scouts are extra-flammable.
 

[bad easy]

and i say medics are flame-retardant.  i have the hardest time setting those guys on fire.

[DeadGoat]

Well they do have health-regeneration which helps out a bit.

And rubber coats.
 

[mentok1982]

and i say medics are flame-retardant.  i have the hardest time setting those guys on fire.

We burn up so fast sometimes I feel like I am made of dry paper. It may be difficult to "set" us on fire because we are faster than pyros and we can stay out of your range, but if you start us on fire and if we have less than 30 health after we get away from you, we will die without help or water.

If we get away and we have more 30 health, the fire should go out before we die and then we can slowly regen until we can get more health from another source.

[DoctorDave]

and i say medics are flame-retardant.  i have the hardest time setting those guys on fire.

It's because medics are FAST!  Also, it's easy for us to play ring-around-the-heavy if pyros go for us first, and we can just keep going around in circles until the heavy manages to kill the pyro.